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 Posted: 11-20-2006 04:22 pm
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This picture taken with engine at TDC at the no. 1 cylinder.  Engine #7306. Is this correct?

The cams seals look to have been leaking.  Anyone have the seal numbers?  I'm changing all of them.

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 Posted: 11-20-2006 04:25 pm
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Also at TDC, this is what the crank pulley looks like.  The crank timing marks seem dorked up.  Neither the crank or the cam timing marks seem to match what I see described in the book. 

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Steve

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 Posted: 11-21-2006 04:31 am
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Cam timing is discussed in section A52 of the shop manual as well as other locations in the factory documentation.  What they tried to say is:
  • 100 IN / 110 EX - North American engines only, #10480 up only (meaning T-prefix air pump engines).  JHs and GTs with this cam timing typically run poorly compared to earlier cars.
  • 110 IN / 110 EX - Engines #4040 to #10479, and #10480 up for other than North America.
  • 115 IN / 115 EX - Engines #4039 and below.
Your engine #7306 should be set to 110 IN / 110 EX.  Since your photo shows 115 IN and unknown EX, the cam timing is not correct.  It will run that way but performance may suffer.  You can get the correct timing without spending money on parts as the gears are reversible.  WARNING: considerable care must be used to avoid bending your valves.  This was a hot topic for a while on the old JHPS site, so a search there should be beneficial.  I think there's a decent cam timing procedure in there somewhere, too, but it's been years and I could be wrong.

I've attached an annotated photo of two identical cam gears with their different faces showing.  This should clarify how most gears are marked.  Some folks have trouble picturing how things should be arranged, however, so for them I suggest printing out the photo, cutting out the two gears and arranging their pictures for the proper timing, then making the car look like the arrangement.  Paper dolls, yes, but it works.

As for your crank pulley and its timing marks, possibly a PO added additional marks for some unknown reason.  I would try to determine whch of the marks actually was TDC before doing anything else, specifically including altering the cam timing.  This can be a bit tricky to determine, as the #1 piston moves only 0.026" from 10°BTDC to TDC, but with repeated attempts it should be possible to make an accurate determination.  Then just put a daub of paint on the correct notch in the pulley. 

If you have trouble with any of the above, contact me directly and I'll see what I can do to provide a bit of guidance.  Good luck

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 Posted: 11-21-2006 11:23 am
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Thanks again!  I'm glad I asked. 

Steve

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 Posted: 11-21-2006 06:30 pm
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Mark et al

I pulled the pulleys.  The one marked Lotus with only in and ex on apposing sides matches with the 110 in and 110 ex marks on the other pulley.  Seems like I should be able to figure that out.

As for seal numbers?  Anybody got them or do I need to order from Delta?

Thanks

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 Posted: 11-21-2006 06:46 pm
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I don't have an industry standard number for the cam seals, but Delta should have them in stock.  It's fairly easy to remove the old ones and install the new ones, but you do have to be certain not to rotate the cams while doing so.

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 Posted: 11-22-2006 01:13 am
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great picture, is the same true for the latter HTD 9round tooth) pulley?

Thamks for info

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 Posted: 11-22-2006 01:18 am
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Don't know as I've never seen a car using the HTD system.  However, I understand that there are several owners here that use it, and perhaps one of them would be kind enough to post photos. 

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I'll check the weekend, I have afew ses of squar wheels, and my HTD wheels ar f the car, so I can line up the key ways and see.

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