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 Posted: 01-17-2011 06:01 pm
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JodyKerr
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Hey Guys,

 

Keep it simple or STFU. I hear enough bickering at work, I don't need it in my car world.

 

If I catch anyone bickering I will sneak over to their house and let all the factory Lucas smoke out of their wiring harness! :)

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 Posted: 01-17-2011 06:51 pm
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Sorry jody... i'll keep out of it from here on out...

Any progress with the efi?

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 Posted: 01-17-2011 06:56 pm
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Steve's got it running! He had it up at the pavillions car show over the weekend.

I've got baby sitting duty at the moment while the wife's off running errands, but I was planning on finishing my video of the setup today.

Jody

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 Posted: 01-17-2011 11:48 pm
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Awesome!!!! I'll be watching for updates all night!! (even though I'm working...) Get's pretty boring here later in the night...

For anyone who's concerned Jody may have loosed your Lucas smoke, I know where you can get some more...

http://www3.telus.net/bc_triumph_registry/smoke.htm

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 Posted: 01-18-2011 02:41 pm
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Bruce forgot more then you'll ever know about our cars and has helped 100's of us with his knowledge for over 30 years .

I met Bruce at the Nashville nationals back in 04, he took a look at my car and commenced  to tell me what was right and what was wrong about it.  The guy is a gold mind of information-if you call him be prepared to spend a hour or so on the phone because the info just spills out of him and you come away a much wiser person for having dealt with him.

I have bought parts from him, had parts rebuilt by him and he is a standup guy. Also Jim at Delta and Greg at JHPS are top notch guys as well and will go out of their way to help and make things happen. No one source can supply everything we need to keep these cars on the road today, but at least these three should be on everyone's call list.

Sander, good to see you back on the boards

Brett

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 Posted: 01-21-2011 03:33 am
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Progress? Or should I take a look at They Might Be Racing?

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 Posted: 01-21-2011 05:39 am
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Yes, Progress but still no Jody and his mythical camera.

I think I may have made some progress today on the throttle linkage but it still needs a redesign. Once that is completely ironed out the car seems to be quite nice to drive even in it's untuned state. I was worried that the throttle bodies are too large but that does not seem to be a problem.

I think I need to get a different wide band O2 sensor setup as the one I have seems to be not very reliable. Either that or I need a new sensor for the one I have.

Update: I just ordered a new sensor only from Rockauto for $89 which I thought was a really good deal.

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 Posted: 01-22-2011 01:11 pm
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$89 for an o2 sensor? Awesome!

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superk83 wrote: $89 for an o2 sensor? Awesome!
Just the sensor that screws into the pipe. Not for the whole Wide Band O2 system. The best price I have seen on that is around $170 to $180 for the Innovate LC-1 system with the gauge.

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 Posted: 01-22-2011 11:44 pm
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Video of Steve's car on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-2bkBlF3Lc

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 Posted: 01-23-2011 09:37 am
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That is awesome! Way to go fellas.... keep it up!

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 Posted: 01-23-2011 07:26 pm
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Looking good, fellas!

I thought I made messy wiring, but you certainly beat me here. The air cleaners were very MacGyver, I hope you will make something better in due time.

Keep at it!
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 Posted: 01-23-2011 07:57 pm
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To Steve's credit, he's responsible for all the boffin style engineering to make it work. I've just been along for the ride in terms of immoral support and video taping.

Once the kinks are worked out of the existing system I'll take on the job of making pretty wiring harnesses and seeing what we can do to spiff it up. The current plan is to complete the bodging on Steve's car. Once it reaches a "production" caliber level we'll re-engineer the solution in to my spare blue Jensen Healey. In theory, it should actually make the blue car driveable again (providing I rebuild the suspension as well and don't mind riding in a flintsones-mobile with no interior and little floorboard. :)

 

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 Posted: 01-24-2011 12:58 am
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Sounds good, makes me even more interested in having a JH. What do you reckon the parts cost altogether?

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 Posted: 01-24-2011 02:19 am
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I paid a good high quality fabricator to make the following parts:

1. VR sensor mount
2. trigger wheel adapter to secure same to front pulley
3. throttle body adapters
4. machine & weld the injector bungs into place in the ZS manifold

So these were the most expensive bits of the conversion. All the hard parts except for the Megasquirt ECU, the little 1quart swirl tank, the coolant & air temp sensors and the four alloy injector bungs were used parts from the j-yard. This includes:

1. 96-99 Dodge Neon injectors (quantity 4)
2. Nissan Maxima 54mm throttle bodies (quantity 2)
3. Jaguar XJ6 plastic air horns (quantity 2)
4. Ford Escort coil pack
5. Ford Escort EDIS controller module
6. Lexus throttle position sensor
7. Ford Taurus VR sensor
8. Ford Taurus toothed wheel
9. Saab 900 fuel rail
10. Saab 900 fuel pressure regulator
11. Jaguar high pressure fuel pump

So the ultimate cost of this depends on your ability to scrounge parts from the junk yard, score inexpensive Megasquirt units from EBay, and either do self fabrication or find a good but inexpensive fabricator.

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 Posted: 04-23-2011 10:10 am
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Hey fellas, been a while... any more progress on this?

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superk83 wrote: Hey fellas, been a while... any more progress on this?
Nope, just driving and enjoying the car.  I was driving it back and forth to work which is a 25 mile trip each way so it probably has a few hundred miles on it now with the EFI. I did put it on a chassis dyno to tune the very top end of the fuel map. No big issues.

The biggest problem with the car now is not related to the fuel or ignition system. The transmission and rear end gearing makes the car a real bummer to drive on the highway for any distance so that is the next thing I will be looking into. I have a Ford T9 five speed transmission and I am trying to get an adapter made so it will bolt up to the engine.

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 Posted: 04-24-2011 08:52 pm
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If I'm not much mistaken, most (all?) Ford Type 9s have a separate bellhousing. Will you make the adapter to adapt the JH 4-speed bellhousing to the T9 gearbox? If so, send a PayPal address and a price my way, because I would like one!

I think it will be a lot easier to make an adapter between bellhousing and gearbox rather than between engine and bellhousing. First of all, the piece is a lot smaller, so it will be cheaper. Second, the only worries for integration into the car are gearbox mount, drive shaft, speedo drive and stick position. I think the latter should be fairly close, but there is more than one variant of the T9 too.

There are hundreds of T9s within a 50 mile radius, Sierra and Scorpio were very popular cars here in the 80s. Loads of nice extras available too if the standard box is too weak for you, http://www.burtonpower.com has lots of different gear sets.

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 Posted: 04-24-2011 09:22 pm
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I do hope to get the Ford T9 to somehow bolt up to the back of the JH four speed bellhousing however because of the excessive length of the four speed bellhousing, it will probably require extensive machining to reduce the depth down to something that will work with the input shaft length on the T9 transmission. Once I get one done and have a semi-firm price, I will let others know about the status.

The Ford T9 transmissions I have are out of the Merkur XR4Ti which is the only car that Ford brought into the US with the T9 transmission.

It does have a rubber guibo coupling on the back of the trans rather than a normal U-joint flange or yoke. I will have to figure that part out too.

I have measured the position of the stick shift in relation to a JH four speed and the later JH5 speed transmissions and the Ford T9 trans I have is pretty much dead on. The pilot bearing size verses the size of the front of the input shaft on the T9 is very close as well.

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 Posted: 04-24-2011 09:53 pm
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BTW, what ever happened to all of the people at the start of this thread who were so eager to discuss EFI on the JH? There were at least 6 - 8 people initially discussing the merits and problems with doing this and then as soon as I started making progress they all seem to have evaporated except for Joachim and superk83 (sorry I don't know your actual first name). What's up with that?

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